[twsocket] Ok. It's buggy, but it's I'm working hard!

Davie smatters@smatters.com
Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:47:48 -0500


It's sometimes hard to make sure everything is corrrect, but you have to try at
least. My TuroView projuct is about 85000 lines and sometimes gets annoying :)

Davie

Raptor G wrote:

> I guess this was all due to my inexperience. Sorry to EVERYONE including but
> not limited to (!:)) Davie. After my finals I will roll-out a kick-ass beta
> and then let you know of this ad-free beta. The thing is, this can be
> counted to be my first to-be-serious project and worked so hard to write the
> 6000 lines of code, I got a bit overexcited of it. From now on I will try to
> think more professionally.
>
> Regards,
>
> Raptor
>
> From: Davie <smatters@smatters.com>
> Reply-To: twsocket@elists.org
> To: twsocket@elists.org
> Subject: Re: [twsocket] Ok. It's buggy, but it's I'm working hard!
> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:06:36 -0500
>
> Here's some feed-back that is only "MY" opinion. In "MY" opinion, I don't
> want
> people posting code that says "help me find all bugs in my program." Trying
> to
> get a program to bomb in a SPECIFIC way is no problem, and I have helped
> many
> people on this sort of thing. But to throw a program out and say download it
> and
> tell me what you think is also ok, IF YOU HAVE TAKEN MEASURES to make sure
> that
> it runs smoothly and error free. Obviously no program of significant size
> can be
> perfectly error-free, but what you do is to remove all bugs that you KNOW of
> etc...
>
> Here is something that is very annoying to me. Someone gives me a program
> and it
> has shitloads of problems. Then at that point I feel like I am a beta
> tester.
> And actually I have beta tested for D.E.C. And Borland and CentralPoint and
> 386-Max and on and on.... When you get on the beta program you EXPECT to
> find
> "some" errors. And you report them. But they don't give the testers programs
> that are "riddled" with problems. This annoys testers to NO END!!! It makes
> the
> testers feel like the programmer doesn't feel like doing much work in the
> debugging stage and wants to DUMP the responibility (time consuming) of
> finding
> all bugs onto the testers.
>
> Here's a RULE of thumb. ONLY SEND OUT CODE IF, it meets certain
> requirements:
> 1. Doesn't destroy anything on client machine
> 2. Doesn't cause system lockups frequently
> 3. And most importantly, it runs as you have "intended" it to run, AND that
> YOU
> have tested it thouroughly by clicking on ALL buttons and forms and used all
> COMBINATIONS of parameters etc.... So as to have all functions in your
> program
> executed and that AFTER all that, it "appears" to works properly.
>
> THEN and only THEN, should you attempt to send stuff out to other people.
> OTHERWISE, you will have a lot of angry people on your hands.
>
> As a note: I am NOT angry at you. I am simply ANNOYED. But I know how some
> people can be, and trust me, you WILL have ANGRY people at you by not
> following
> what I suggest, AND you will not know WHY they are angry. You will be
> befuddled
> and confused and wondering what's all the fuss about.
>
> Davie
>
> Raptor G wrote:
>
>  > Hi Everyone,
>  >
>  > I have updated the FTP++2 Alpha. It is available at
>  > http://www.fastream.com/FTPpp2.exe (940kb)
>  >
>  > It now uninstalls everything completely.
>  >
>  > I was only able to correct the listing and tmp deletion bug Davie found,
> but
>  > it's worth a try.
>  >
>  > Waiting for all the feedback in the world!
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  >
>  > Raptor
>  >
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